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Mandy Memory · Mar 10, 2006, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Some interesting replies lately.

Seems the issue at hand keeps getting twisted a bit. The issue isn't whether or not people will buy Factions or not (though I read some will not), it's why Anet will not give us access to all the content and playability that we should have.

Four slots allowed me to go through the GW:P four times. Four times I had a blast. Therefore I am looking forward to playing Anet wonder looking new chapter. Two new slots allows me to play through Factions twice. Yea yea yea, I can go through the new chapters with my four level 20s... but why? It's like telling me to go run through Ascalon with them. Talk about boring.
I, and many others it would seem, consider part of the fun in getting new armor and gear. Not true? Explain 15k and FoW to me then. In getting Factions, there will be new gear to abtain and play around with.
How does this all fit in?
Currently I have not been able to play a Monk or Necro. This means I have not been able to (already) play 1/3 of GW:P, simply due to different class gear, quests, ect. Add in Factions and that number increases more.
I'm glad some people think that 6 is fine. That's great. I'm glad that people want a PvP slot and trial slots to try out builds. That's wonderful.
The point is really simple. More slots means more fun for me (and many others). I play a game for fun. I bought the game, the content is already there, I just can't access it due to a limitation imposed by Anet. It's already there... no aditional programming for new content, no wasted hours figuring out this or that.
Many replies to this post are all about "6 is fine" or "anyone who wants 8 is a whiner". That's fine by me... still stands though, I (and many others) want 8 slots. No amount of Anet fanboy talk will change that.
I also think this posting has gone a little far. I am in hopes it will close and a new one will open for people who want 8 can post and Anet might see it, rather than a messy debate, like this one has become.

You could always delete characters...

But really, you get to play all the ascended content with your level 20s...which is over 80% of the game and it will be a challenge...its not like "running through ascalon"

V-Dragon · Mar 10, 2006, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Save me the time and post a link...Im not going to fight to help you.

My sources are in game...You can duplicate/see them by traveling around and listening...Dont bother asking, just listen.

LOL, you can't admit you're wrong huh? If your source is in game then it is CRAP.

I've talked to guildies and other players in game, and they seem disappointed with 2 slots but you don't see me using them as a representation of the whole population.

Again, show me with real numbers that 95% of PVE players are satisfied with 2 slots?? I'm begging you to do so......

Mandy Memory · Mar 10, 2006, 05:44 AM // 05:44

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

and gwonline has several registered polls.

the will you buy it in spite of only 2 slots had a much higher percent (about 75) the last time i checked.

another site with a registered poll shows these results with over 1800 votes

Yes, definitely!....................................... ......................1169
No way............................................... ..............................37

Most likely............................................ .........................331
Probably not............................................... ....................58

1169 is 97% of 1206...which is the total number of players that are certain.

And Im glad to know that the people who actually play the game are not a credible source...

Do you need peer reviewed sources? Your standards are high...

Katari · Mar 10, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

You could always delete characters...

But really, you get to play all the ascended content with your level 20s...which is over 80% of the game and it will be a challenge...its not like "running through ascalon"

Yeah, we could always delete characters. Of course, if deleting characters wasn't a problem, then this thread would have no reason to exist. So I'm not exactly sure where you're going with that.

Mandy Memory · Mar 10, 2006, 05:58 AM // 05:58

Deleting characters isnt a problem...Ive done it a number of times. I played through the game with every class but ele...because I hate them.

I now only have 2 characters left. Its not like you lose anything by deleting a character, you can always remake it. By not deleting characters you are only withholding further fun from yourself...

I dont see why its such a big deal...This is probably why I would rather have 6 characters and more updates as opposed to 8 characters with nothing to do. Of course this will all get blamed on the fact that I enjoy pvp...because without an excuse, Im just another player that is probably viewed as the antichrist trying to bring hell to Tyria.

Okay with 6 slots? HERESY!

V-Dragon · Mar 10, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

1169 is 97% of 1206...which is the total number of players that are certain.

And Im glad to know that the people who actually play the game are not a credible source...

Do you need peer reviewed sources? Your standards are high...

BTW, your so-called "in game" source is BS. To test this, I just went to RA and asked a simple question "Are you satisfied with 2 slots for ch 2". It's funny how many "NOs" I got immediately. But I admit, there were several Yes, but nowhere close to 95% (or even 50%) that you are stating.

Minus Sign · Mar 10, 2006, 07:09 AM // 07:09

um...please forgive my laziness, but I don't want to read through all 26 pages of posts with their coorisponding weblinks before I sound off.

It seems like there are 3 camps here:
1 "6 slots is great!"
2 "6 slots? Why not 8???"
3 'We don't need 2 more slots per merged game; leave em at 4."

I'm happily in the first camp. GW started with 6 proffessions and 4 character slots. Keeping us 2 men down seems the best way to make us think "What character do I REALLY want" instead of letting our toons boil down to 'what shirt am I going to wear today' mentality. And it lets us try both new classes first, before we kill our Ritualist off in favor of that Ranger we always wanted but never had room for.

If GW3 comes out and they stick with 6, then I'ma get grumpy. When all the dust settles, I think we'll see 8 slots per account on all Prophecies diehards. *wink* call me psychic.

EDIT: an end to the math.

4 slots for Prophecies+2slots for merging with Factions=
my level 20s BLASTING through the early expansion missions like nobody's business. It's like all of Guild Wars deciding on a whim to play "The Wall" for a few days. And if you think being first to beat both games is no big deal, then why does everyone flame all those old "rich" folks who've been with GWP since Beta?

arcanemacabre · Mar 10, 2006, 07:19 AM // 07:19

I'm perfectly fine with 2 slots, honestly. I'd be perfectly fine with 1 or 4 just about as equally. I don't really see what the big deal is. What it boils down to is this: Are you going to buy Factions because of all the new content, extra classes, and various other game-enhancing perks (skills, etc.)? Or are you buying it for extra slots?

Now seriously think about that. Saying "I'm buying it for both" is kind of a 'duh' answer, so it really doesn't apply in this discussion. I'm also not going to judge or say it's wrong to pick one or the other, not my place. Point is, that's really what it all boils down to. Cause in the end, you're either buying and playing it or you're not.

Thing is, that's not really what this thread is supposed to be about. It's about people being upset that they're not getting a total of 4 more slots when merging games, but half that. Polls that show whether or not people are going to buy Factions when it comes out really proves nothing. I believe most people are not going to miss out on all that extra content just because they can't make an extra two characters they otherwise would be able to. So most people who are upset about the 2 slot deal will probably still vote "Definately will buy" or something positive along that line.

So an accurate poll question would be more along the lines of: "How do you feel about getting 2 extra character slots when you merge your current account with Factions?" I have no idea what the results of that poll would be, but I'd bet on it being a lot less than 95% that have no problem with only 2 slots. I could be wrong, but that percentage seems to be far-reaching.

My vote is /undecided/ on that poll.

Edit: Removed any sarcastic comments that may have been present.

Raif · Mar 10, 2006, 09:39 AM // 09:39

I am not upset about getting a whole 4 slots, hell 3 would have been great - that covers pvp, rit and asn.. but, always a but. I still see Anet penalizing original players by not offering us more than 2 slots.

Oh and because I have taken part in this thread or actually bothered to express an opinion in this I am hereby catergorized as a whiner or whatever.

Give me a break. as i stated it in an earlier post, it is sometimes better to have the odd rant than spend your life doing a carebear gush. What people don't seem to realise is that for many of us the actual content of factions is fine (what we have heard about it), the only issue is the lack of slots on offer for the existing players.

You can spend as much as you like quoting how many love the offered slots, or you can make up as many statistics %s on the spot as you like. Imho Anet is letting down the original pbase with its paltry 2 slots.

So it boils down to 2 questions:

Question: Will i buy factions and play it?

Ans: Yes, I love the GW world.

Question: Will i link accounts and thus lose those precious 4 slots and get screwed over by having only 2 slots to use.

Ans: Yes, because it is the only way to retain everything

@mandy .. sorry you arent unique in deleting lv 20 chars over and over again, im sure plenty of us have done so as well.

Hanok Odbrook · Mar 10, 2006, 12:26 PM // 12:26

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Deleting characters isnt a problem...Ive done it a number of times. I played through the game with every class but ele...because I hate them.

I now only have 2 characters left. Its not like you lose anything by deleting a character, you can always remake it. By not deleting characters you are only withholding further fun from yourself...

I dont see why its such a big deal...This is probably why I would rather have 6 characters and more updates as opposed to 8 characters with nothing to do. Of course this will all get blamed on the fact that I enjoy pvp...because without an excuse, Im just another player that is probably viewed as the antichrist trying to bring hell to Tyria.

Okay with 6 slots? HERESY!

I'm glad you don't mind deleting characters. For many others of us, however that is simply not an option. And yes, when you do delete characters, you loose stuff:

Time spent playing for one thing. I said repeatedly that my time playing GW is far to valuable to throw away out of hand just to experiment with different builds. I am still playing some of my original characters - That's 10 months+ worth of play time. To delete one, try another build up to the point where I am now, decide I don't like it, recreate my original character and return him to the point I am at now is 20+ months of work. Sorry, but that's not an option.
Items are anoter thing - what happens if I have a lot of stuff in my characters' inventory - too much to transfer to all my other characters? I'm loosing a lot of work in that regard since items in inventory get deleted too.

And yes, I have deleted a handful of characters I experiemented with, primarily to work on my website and Guild Quest guide. All the characters I have now I consider permanent characters I plan on taking through future chapters of the game. So with each succeeding chapter, deleting those characters becomes less and less of an option.

Your statement that the number of character slots would affect the amount of updates in the game is just unfounded. There would be no rational cause to lessen the amount of content updates just because everyone has eight slots as opposed to six. I am glad you PvP and are happy with six slots. But what about those PvPers that only need two slots? why don't you just use those two slots instead of the six, after all you apparently don't need them.

In regards to your poll numbers and post regarding how many are happy. I have run my own polls in game and have gotten responses that are compeletely opposite of yours, so all of our numbers are really meaningless. You said yourself a very small number of people respond to the polls and such, so even finding numbers in support of yours doesn't make your arguments and more or less valid than the ones supporting ours.

If you really want to contribute something to that argument, start up a poll that specifically asks people if they are happy with two slots, or would prefer more.

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

WasAGuest · Mar 10, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

You could always delete characters...

But really, you get to play all the ascended content with your level 20s...which is over 80% of the game and it will be a challenge...its not like "running through ascalon"

As I stated before, deleting them is not an option for me. Why? In my guild, we all have four (or more, some have two accounts - I can't afford two) characters. Depending on what we are in the mood to play, we mix and match our characters and help newer players through the missions and quests. If I deleted a character to simply appease the lack of slots that I have been given, I would feel I wasted way too much time and probably not get back into the game. I would also not have a character to "fit" into the grouping situation of the guild. So, again, deleting is not an option with my current characters.

It is also not 80% of the content I would be seeing with my ascended characters. It's too early in the morning to get the math (since we all seem to like math in this post), but consider this:

Two Factions, each with different quests/missions/armor/weapons. 8 (yea, there's that number again) primary classes each with their own quests/armor/weapons. 4 ascended characters with no need for "early" quests/armor/weapons; which means there are things they will never get to do. 2 new slots, which leaves still 2 still missing for all the above mentioned content.

8 slots also can not and would not take away from future content being released. Slot addition is not content, it is access to content. Giving the storage takes no programmer (artist, writter or other such person) away from creating new content. In fact, I would imagine it is simply a matter of adjusting code already in place; Factions is nearing, and I would hope they already have the code in place for the 2 new slots. Just adjust from 2 to 4.

If you also read back on all my posts in this thread, I have never once complained about getting 2 new slots. I have simply mentioned that we need one slot per primary class. I am simply trying to get a better game for me and others that feel the same way. I feel that 6 is too few and may very well limit my playing time and my fun with the game.

Buying the game has never been, nor is the topic at hand. As to whether someone purchases the game based on slots or content is a very odd ideal and a far stretch from the topic at hand. Frog mentioned a straw man argument (had to follow his link to learn what that was), and it is very true. It's a twist on the issue. I've already bought the game, have the pre-order box on my desk right now. I look forward to playing it. I will however, thanks to the limit of slots only be able to play through the Factions Chapter a full 2 times, rather than 4 as I did with GW:P.

This is my opinion, my feelings on the matter. No amount of math, polls or marketing ploys will change my mind or my feelings on it. I see and am happy for those who are over joyed with getting 6, and I am also happy to be getting 6. I still feel 8 is the number we should be getting, whether you use them or not.

I now join Frog as I feel I have said enough on the issue and will await for either an official reason (not some made up Marketing gimick) as to why not 8 slots, or for someone to come up with a link to something official.

PS. Forgive all grammar and spelling errors, I'm only on my second cup of coffee... two more cups and I'll be almost awake.

Loviatar · Mar 10, 2006, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

It is also not 80% of the content I would be seeing with my ascended characters. It's too early in the morning to get the math (since we all seem to like math in this post), but consider this:

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this boils down to a very simple yea/no
true/fasle

in several interviews the head of Anet stated that about (couldnt get it down to the tenth of a decimal point) 80% of the entire chapter 2 content is for your chapter 1 ascended (level 20) characters.

very simple choice

he is telling the truth and you have all that new high level content to run your characters through

or he is lying and there will be little or nothing to do for a high level character

tell us what you think

is he telling the truth or lying?

and dont try to pull fuzzy math on this.

if 80% of the high level content is there and new why shouldnt your w/e/mo/me/etc have fun going through it?

you have 6 slots to run characters through new content (as i see it)

Gli · Mar 10, 2006, 05:04 PM // 17:04

No more than a few weeks ago it was still 6 * 100%. It's down to 2 x 100% + 4 x 80% then?

Eugaet · Mar 10, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Gli

It's down to 2 x 100% + 4 x 80% then?

No, it's still 6 * 100%. 80% of the content may be built for your Ch. 1 (or Ch. 2) ascended chars, but 100% of the content is still new. The other 20% is built for chars lower then level 20. That doesn't mean your Ch. 1 ascended chars can't go there...

Well, wait a tic...I assume your Ch. 1 ascended chars won't be able to get to the Canthan version of Pre-Searing, the tutorial area. So I imagine that content wouldn't be available to your Ch. 1 chars.

Eh. I don't work for ANet, so I don't know.

Anyway, I still contend 6*100 is greater than 8*50. No fuzzy math there, just a simple, all variables included, equation.

Personally, and I've stated I'm OK with the 6 slots because it doesn't affect my play style...I think it'd rock to be able to add keys to get more slots. I'd purchase extra slots myself. I was hoping the CE would have that extra slot...but it doesn't. And I'm OK with that. That's just me, though.

Loviatar · Mar 10, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

i have a preorder in for the chapter 2 CE

i also took care of my present and future storage needs by buying 200 more storage spaces not to mention what guild hall storage will be.

just call me a ignorant marketing brain washed common buyer if you will but i am having fun and let the slot number be dammed

WasAGuest · Mar 10, 2006, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

this boils down to a very simple yea/no
true/fasle

in several interviews the head of Anet stated that about (couldnt get it down to the tenth of a decimal point) 80% of the entire chapter 2 content is for your chapter 1 ascended (level 20) characters.

very simple choice

he is telling the truth and you have all that new high level content to run your characters through

or he is lying and there will be little or nothing to do for a high level character

tell us what you think

is he telling the truth or lying?

and dont try to pull fuzzy math on this.

if 80% of the high level content is there and new why shouldnt your w/e/mo/me/etc have fun going through it?

you have 6 slots to run characters through new content (as i see it)

Huh?

Since you seem to be asking me directly, I'll answer the same way I always do. What does whether or not someone in Anet telling the truth or not have to do with me (and those wanting it) getting 8 slots? I could care less and unless he is saying "You're getting a slot for each primary", I'm not interested in hearing what he has to say about it. My previous post should have been clear on that. I'm not changing my point of view on this, nor will my feelings be altered due to "marketing spin". This, however, seems another setup and dodge the issue post.

In response to the other parts of the post, I'll ask this:
Can may warrior/ranger/mesmer/ele complete the necro and monk quests as primaries? Will those same characters be able to see/wield/use necro and monk armor?

That, too me is part of the fun and personal goals I set for myself. In not being able to do that, I miss out on part of the fun in the game. And, once more (sigh) I'm not going to quit playing cause of lack of slots... I'm not going to throw a tantrum cause I don't get my way... I'm not doing anything but requesting an ideal to improve the game for me and those who also would like the 8 slots. If your idea of fun is different, great. I hope you are enjoying the game as much as I am.

I've just seen a post with some awesome looking armor for a monk and now I would love to play one. But, I already have in mind an Assassin and a Ritualist. So, I will not be able to play the monk I would like too because of the slot issue. If deleting a character comes to mind... read further up the page and refer to it each time "Delete" comes to mind.

BTW: You really should see those new armors... they look GOOD! Find the PvP armor thread and see what I mean.

Katari · Mar 10, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

this boils down to a very simple yea/no
true/fasle

in several interviews the head of Anet stated that about (couldnt get it down to the tenth of a decimal point) 80% of the entire chapter 2 content is for your chapter 1 ascended (level 20) characters.

very simple choice

he is telling the truth and you have all that new high level content to run your characters through

or he is lying and there will be little or nothing to do for a high level character

tell us what you think

is he telling the truth or lying?

and dont try to pull fuzzy math on this.

if 80% of the high level content is there and new why shouldnt your w/e/mo/me/etc have fun going through it?

Lovitar, my eyes bleed when I read your posts. Remember, the enter key is not a period. Besides that, your post is also irrelevent. Of course it's just a simple yes/no. So I can play through some large portion of Factions with my current characters, so what? I expected that. The problem at hand is that we don't have enough space. It's irrelevent how much content you can run through with your current characters. Even if it was 100%, we still wouldn't have enough slots. You seem to see the problem, and you even stated the problem, but you failed to notice that it is a problem.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

you have 6 slots to run characters through new content (as i see it)

There it is. That's the problem. Six is not equal to eight, and four is not equal to six. No amount of red herrings will change that.

Mordakai · Mar 10, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by Katari

Lovitar, my eyes bleed when I read your posts. Remember, the enter key is not a period. Besides that, your post is also irrelevent. Of course it's just a simple yes/no. So I can play through some large portion of Factions with my current characters, so what? I expected that. The problem at hand is that we don't have enough space. It's irrelevent how much content you can run through with your current characters. Even if it was 100%, we still wouldn't have enough slots. You seem to see the problem, and you even stated the problem, but you failed to notice that it is a problem.

Because we argue it is not a problem.

Show me where Anet promised you 8 slots.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

i also took care of my present and future storage needs by buying 200 more storage spaces not to mention what guild hall storage will be.

How did you manage that?

Cybah · Mar 10, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

wassup with collectors edition? 7 slots or not? need to know to retract my simple preorder box o_O

Renegade ++RIP++ · Mar 10, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

How did you manage that?

prolly by buying an extra account seeing that it allows another 4 full charslots to be fulled with items and the storage.